QA問答：哪個國家被外國人認為是發達國家，但是實際上卻不是的？What country is considered to be really developed by foreigners but it actually isn''t?
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What country is considered to be really developed by foreigners but it actually isn't?
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I’m going to give three
Israel. One of the best IT sectors on the planet, a defence system second to none. I imagine this high tech Mecca. But it is not. There are almost no trains (one from Jerusalem to Tel Aviv now), no metro that is working. The internet sucks. The only way to get to Eilat is to drive or take a bus. I thought Israel would be like South Korea, but it isn’t at all. It isn’t poor at all, but I was expecting the Netherlands and it is southern Italy.
China. Shanghai and Guangzhou are the future. They are more developed than any city in Europe or North America. By a wide margin. But rural Guangxi province? Third world. Like playing catch up to Thailand. If Guangzhou is 40 years ahead of New York, Rural Guangxi is at least 40 years behind rural Ohio. Ox drawn carts going through urban centres, while like 3 hours away (on a bullet train) you’ll find Captain Kirk.
the US. Eisenhower built the greatest infrastructure ever conceived to that point. I don’t think he meant for that to be the last investment in infrastructure. How is the entire northeast not covered in bullet trains? How is there not such a train from San Diego to San Francisco? Why do the airports all look like something from a Roger Moore era James Bond film? Why are the roads in the wealthiest nation on Earth more like Bangkok’s roads than Berlin’s? How can the same country that put people on the moon not pave a road?
When I took my family to Paris, they were shocked at the leaky metro stations and the lack of lifts/escalators. They thought most “western” countries look like the most advanced sci-fi movies they have seen in Hollywood movies. I told them if they want to look at modern, well developed infrastructure country, just go to Singapore which is a stone throw away from where they live. However in terms of healthcare and human rights, EU is fairly developed but that they can hardly “see” it.
US is probably the most overrated “developed” country perceived by foreigners. The lack of equal healthcare and education system says a lot about how “developed” the country is before we even look at their systemic racism problem. Foreigners have very different ideas of what US is and what it actually is thanks to the Hollywood blockbusters.
The US is a technologically advanced country but socially and racially it’s in the stone age.
man, I really wish Europeans had the opportunity to experience America’s healthcare system before they go bashing it. Having experienced European, its like going to a military triage hospital compared to the USA.
This is the future, you know. So said many people who visited Moscow in the 1930s.
Many people also said the same about 1980s Japan.
That is probably because they and most people reading this, are probably not sensibly defining development.
According to a widely held definition, developed means “advanced economically and socially”.
Many people get confused about this. For example, Rob below said, “Shanghai and Guangzhou are the future. They are more developed than any city in Europe or North America”.
This simply isn’t true on most measurements.
Zurich looks like this:
Guangzhou looks like this:
Does that mean that major cities in Switzerland, where average salaries are $120,000 on some measures, are less developed than a place like Guangzhou, with average incomes of about $25,000?
Of course not. Any government that cares about keeping face can build loads of tall buildings and make the city look developed to outsiders.
What are more, countries which are less developed have the latecomer advantage. What do I mean by that?
In a fully developed country like Japan or Switzerland, it is more challenging to get people to change habits.
Why would the average Swiss person, who is most likely happy with their banking system and already high levels of efficiency, want to move quickly towards mobile money?
Whereas, in 2010, China or Kenya, there was a clear incentive. Many people couldn’t get credit cards.
I met many people in China who never owned a Visa or MasterCard, so they skipped over technology, and used mobile banking:
Same in Kenya with M-Pesa, which is very impressive:
At least in some parts of the city, Nairobi also looks close to Shanghai in terms of tall skyscrapers.
Does that mean that a country with a GDP per capita of about $1,800 a year (Kenya) and $10,500 (China) is more developed than, say Switzerland or Monaco ($190,000), just because those places don’t use much mobile banking and have a lack of tall buildings?
Of course not. In much the same way that smaller firms are more innovative than established huge companies, smaller, poorer or mid-income countries are more likely to be more innovative rather than developed.
So, it depends on how people define development. If they determine it wrongly as “looking flash”, they will think that Shanghai is more developed than Monaco and be disappointed in Tokyo, London, big cities in Canada etc.
In that case, they will be disappointed by some of the poorer regions of places like Guangzhou, where you can see plenty of people living on $250-$300 a month.
These days, I would say people overestimate how developed China and Japan are, for different reasons.
People think Japan is very developed, and it is, in terms of the correct way of looking at development - it is democratic, polite, has low levels of crime, reasonable incomes etc.
But if you are looking for flashy tech, and your image of Japan is still stuck in the 1980s “high-tech society”, then most of the country will disappoint you.
It's not appropriate to make generalizations or stereotypes about countries based on how they are perceived by foreigners. Each country has its unique set of strengths and challenges, and it's important to approach each country with an open mind and a willingness to learn.
That being said, some countries may have a reputation for being more developed or less developed than they actually are, based on factors such as media coverage or cultural biases. However, it's important to remember that development is a complex and multifaceted concept that cannot be reduced to a simple ranking or comparison.
Rather than focusing on labels or stereotypes, it's more productive to learn about the specific challenges and opportunities facing each country and to work towards creating a more just and equitable world for all people, regardless of where they live.
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New Zealand. It’s seen as a “wealthy, developed Western nation” but if you go there you’ll see slow internet, crumbling roads and buildings that fall down in earthquakes. It really doesn’t deserve the developed nation status.
South Africa. This nation used to be considered developing but was recently switched to ‘developed’ status, although it shouldn’t be. It’s incredibly backwards with terrible universities. I work in the tech industry and I never meet South African men who are actually good programmers because their schools are so bad over there. I’ve never once met an intelligent South African, but the nation has strong nepotism so South African bosses always insist on hiring South African men, even though they’re useless programmers. South African men are on par with Indian men when it comes to programming - neither are good like Germans or Americans. It’s also sexist and stuck in the 1950s.
Israel. It’s the same as the two countries above. Terrible universities, bad education, violence that is swept under the mat, backwards sexist attitudes like a third world nation. They’re good IT programmers but not good at much else.
Developed economically is easily measured with economic statistics, like per capita GDP and median wage. There’s also developed politically.
Singapore is rich, and money is spread around, but politically it’s virtually a one-party state with lots of repressive laws. In that sense it’s not developed like western European countries.
Japan - People see Akibahara and think wow it’s all like that.
You go out a bit and central heating? Air conditioning? Not a thing. Fax machines still get used cash is king.
Bits of China. All the top tier cities are developed but you go out a bit and you can time travel back 30 years.
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Interesting points here. I've never been to Asia but I just returned from Argentina last month and the same can be said there. Bits of Argentina is modern and developed. Go outside of Buenos Aries and it is like stepping back in time.
I agree with Japan. Tech wise, its a just a shell of its former self. However, the world’s opinion of Japan, in particular of the West, remains locked in their unwavering admiration of the ‘superior’ Japan’s tech today as it was in the 80s.
With regards to ‘bits of China, I also agree your point. But perception wise, virtually none of the people that has never been to China (ie foreigners), would voluntarily consider China as ‘really developed’. In their mindsets, similar to their perspective of Japan, is backdated, unchanged, of their understanding of China from the 80s, with many still believe China is still a nation powered by bicycles.
Therein lies the power of branding.
Yeah I was absolutely blown away by how developed many areas in China were. The perception we have in the west is absolutely outdated.
It is not only technology that makes a developed country. Quality of life, educated population, lack of religious fanaticism, good widespread public transportation, longevity in good health, and on and on…
People think of China as a relatively developed country atleast where I live. It's the world's factory so I don't know how people can think it's stuck in the 1980s.
I disagree. Japan is well run, efficient, clean and possibly the safest country in the world. And they do this without the cameras, surveillance, police and military presence that is such a hallmark of China. Unlike most countries, Japan has almost no natural resources. Their prosperity is the result of hard work.
You must be kidding. If Japan is not a developed country (in some senses, maybe the most developed of all) then there is no developed country at all.
Like I said. The shiny bits in Tokyo look advanced but travel out a bit and you time warp to the 1960s.
No central heating, cash still widely used, they still use fax machines for instance and flip phones.
While here in China there's super developed bits but even in the not so developed bits you get flying drones that deliver stuff. Nobody's heard of fax machines and cash isn't a thing anywhere.
Central heating and ac? use of outdated tech liek fax machines? Pretty shallow basis of what a “developed" country ought to look like.
Cash is sadly a thing for foreigners. I wasn’t able to pay via WeChat, which was a moderate headache
Cash is king in Japan for cultural reasons. Japanese tend to be savers rather than spenders. Tangible money gives them a better idea of how much they're spending at a given moment.
I have been to Japan twice and while the cash thing is true, to say Japan isn’t developed is crazy. The north island of Hokkaido is less developed and populated, but the roads are great and everything runs like a dream. The AirB&Bs we stayed in both in Honshu and Hokkaido had aircon and heating. Maybe not central heating , but that’s not needed for a small apartment.
Central heating/air conditioning does not say much about a country. Germany has few homes with air conditioning.
The US. Look at religion, education levels, guns, crime rate, lack of health care, the Kardasians, Honey BooBoo and that a horribly crass ex-President is in the news daily over hush money paid to cover up an affair with a pornographic prostitute (well, thats what they are….in whose mind are they “stars”?)
Singapore is the only very wealthy country that is not a democracy besides the oil sheikdoms. The same party has held power and oppressed rivals for 60 years. Perhaps as a result Singapore has virtually no human rights laws and still criminalises homosexuality through a 150 year old British colonial law.
Portugal for sure. The salaries are among the lowest in Europe. People are struggling more and more to find a decent accommodation and to get basic services with quality (many maternities stay many days closed for example). In the Human Development Index many countries that were well below Portugal a few years ago, are now way ahead.
Sadly the situation will get worse and worse because citizens don’t realize or don’t want to admit, how bad their country is now.
Its less about development and more about expectations.
I found Italy to be exactly like what I had been told from family to expect. Late trains, lots of old buildings in poor condition and so on. This holds true more so in rural Italy and more so in attitudes.
Budapest was surprisingly small and even though it was well developed a few things really caught my attention. I was told by locals about the rampant corruption.
I also found Saudi Arabia too be far less developed than I had thought (I went in early 2000s).
New York, more specifically Manhattan, is not ‘under developed’ but the infrastructure is really old. The city looks a 100 years old from any rooftop in Manhattan, which they are and you can say they have a certain charm but I feel there is little effort tbeing oput into making them look good anyway. The US, in general, I feel is now down to making ‘things work’ rather than having the best and the latest. New York’s train rides are great but they have nothing on London or even Shanghai. Also the Newark airport!!!! not fitting for a world city
The USA. Unquestioningly.
Just get ill there whilst on holiday and see.
Look at the rural infrastructure, or even the urban ones for that matter (especially the roads).
You can buy a gun at 18 but have to wait until 21 to buy an alcoholic beverage.
Regular and untackled problem of massed school shootings. Sounds like a quite undeveloped society to me.
I’m going to say the U.S. Outside of native Americans (who weren’t really equipped to build a nation), the U.S. is undoubtedly a melting pot. Regardless of the type of people who settled here, or were forced to settle here, we did develop into a great nation! Most considered it a blessing to be allowed the freedom to pursue their dreams, use their talents, and pull together all those languages, cultures, and customs together.
However, the illegal immigration we’re experiencing now is a devious plan to drain our resources that were developed by hard-working people. A country cannot sustain the massive amounts of people who are coming with no resources, no vetting, no background checks, or idea of intentions except to get “free” everything paid by our citizens (even citizens don’t get those handouts). The majority seem to be “fighting-age” males, with no family, and we have no idea what country they’re coming from or what ideology they have. I feel bad for those who have “paid the price” of following the laws, working skill-qualified for an employer who vouches for their legal stay, and end up going through classes to become an American.
No country is looking for troubled people, criminals, or those who wish to subvert the government! This question deserved a contemporary response as the world is out of control right now, and certain criminals are “in charge” letting this happen to the U.S. We’ll survive this despicable invasion and infiltration by corrupt “leaders”.